new vegas why do people defend the legion
Written by on December 19, 2020
[–]Omny87Average-Sized-Dick Johnson 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children). Shit, they find you with drugs its a down right death sentence. [–]Diddu_Sumfin 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children). The Legion was originally supposed to have a lot more presence than they do, but most of their content was cut in order to meet production deadlines, so they're basically an incomplete faction. The cruelty you see in the NV area does seem to be symtpomatic of their culture as a whole, though. Those unable to fill these expectations die, but it's more resources for those that can survive. /r/falloutlore - The lore of the Fallout series, /r/classicfallout - Classic Fallout Games, /r/falloutmods - Fallout modding community. The Legion helps Veterans and their families access the disability benefits they deserve. Sure but remember two important things about the Viet Cong. It's the same expansionist evil you'd find in a cartoon. Now, Poland is getting upset about every non-Polish citizen in their country, particularly the Asians. You're so smart and perfect anyway. Caesar's legion won't survive him, it would turn into a Alexander the Great's heirs situation. Slavery is extremely logical. It's not bad obviously, some black and white storytelling is welcome occasionally, but the Legion are irredeemably evil. The Legion's extreme methods are seen as the only way to bring those regions to heel. You never bother to think "should I engage 4 raiders at once? Doesn't matter if we later find out its a town of crooks and gang bangers. (That annoyed Carlyle because he was a racist piece of shit and thought that black people would just laze around all day if they weren't forced to work. Seen some topics that custom clothing don't show in cutscenes like Breakpoint bivouac. Isn't that exactly what Caesar is doing, though? People easily forgot shitty things in Obsidian/Interplay games. The Legion needs fighters, and it needs a constant supply of them - absorbing small tribes from out in the desert isn't enough anymore to replenish the Legion. What he says make sense in a world where only the strong can survive. Probably because Bethesda would be incapable of making them interesting or with any depth. Despite this people say the legion is good because some traders said they feel safe in Legion territory. Focused on sniping, survival and repair, has affinity with boone and a soft spot for the NCR's mission (and their ranger armour). Females are not allowed to voluntarily fight in the arena. Do you think Walmart would rather pay its workers or have them work for free? Which is why it is a shame we never got to see a true Legion-controlled settlement rather than just military camps and war zones. So I want to play the legion once, with Caesar's regime and Factions Reloaded - Legion mods, (no other mods though). ", you just do it. /r/thefalloutdiaries - Journal-like fan fiction. It is a great defense against wrestlers as well as strikers who aren’t as adept in the art. Raiders aren't attacking day glow and Redding. [–]HughesJohnEnclave 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children). And you just did. Let's say a Polish rebellion starts, similar to the Stormcloak rebellion. Josh Sawyer admitted that the way they ended up portraying the Legion wasn't what they intended to, and most of the content had to be cut from the game. So why are there more slaves today, in this age of the most advanced technology the world has ever seen, than in any other year in the history of our species? [–]krackbaby 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (4 children), 1/10, almost irredeemable troll, but you did get at least one bait, so you've got that going, You need a ton of work and I doubt you'll ever get it right, [–]Vault121 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children). No, I will not "admit" something that I don't believe is true. I agree with everything written here, but would like to clarify that's why I see them as a very interesting black, or at the very best, an incredibly dark shade of grey. As far as villains go, Caesar's Legion is almost on the same level as The Master's Army. Like, they're very interesting villains but their entire formation is one violent mess. This is almost never the case anywhere else. As others have noted, it is the correct classical pronunciation—or as close as could reasonably be expected. [–]whiskeymedic 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child). Natural selection. Speaking of food, in martial societies the slaves tend to be the ones who work the land, because it is beneath a warrior caste. vDialogueN_GREETING_001754D2_1 Topic GREETING GREETING Honored to speak with you, sir. The Legion of Super-Heroes is a fictional superhero team appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics.Created by writer Otto Binder and artist Al Plastino, the Legion is a group of superpowered beings living in the 30th and 31st centuries of the DC Comics Universe, and first appears in Adventure Comics #247 (April 1958). All of the negatives Caesar sees done by the NCR and everybody else, are absolutely not even 1% compared to all of the negative he brings. A new documentary detailing allegations of sexual abuse has the pop star’s most activist supporters ready to jump on Twitter and YouTube to defend his name. I don't know where we could possibly get that idea from...maybe its from the first time when you meet them they're in the middle of massacring a town. ", [–]Davexen 291 points292 points293 points 3 years ago (60 children). The ncr isn't just sitting on it's ass back home letting the raiders do as they please. It should be harder for femCourier to earn the trust of the common Legionary given the sexist attitudes amongst the Legion. Yeah, this is kind of the point of the New Vegas conflict. How is there no logic to using slaves? It's been quite a while since I've last played New Vegas. I like that idea, it would make the late game feel less trivial. You have to look at the facts and not just believe the first piece of information given to you. Secondly the Viet Cong were fighting a defensive insurgents war. At least Autumn thought he was doing right by the people of the Capital Wasteland. But if thats true, why wasn't the legion in (or even mentioned in) Fallout 3? ", The argument is essentially, "the legion is bad and do things the wrong way. Honestly, the only reason I never joined the Legion in a playthrough was because I hated their football armor. Less violent because they run shit in their sphere of influence, but the reason they run shit in the first place is because they're brutal af. The Weathers family, too. there was never a doubt in my mind that the sexist, crucifixion obsessed slavers were the definitive "evil" faction in the game. From what Caesar says, and I agree, the Legion you see now is only "temporary" until the NCR is annexed and the Legion thus transformed. It's the same expansionist evil you'd find in a cartoon. © Valve Corporation. Perception- 9 The Legion must know when someone or something is nearby to defend themself and attack the creature or person. Posts with clickbait, extremely vague, or misleading titles will be removed. Veteran NCR Rangers start appearing after you dealt with Mr. House’s bunker at The Fort, Caesar’s Legion’s home plate. How could a leather clad man with a knife or spear possibly threaten someone in power-armor holding a machine gun? 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children). Livestream promotion not allowed. I mean, it was a huge part of Roman history. The romans were not fair and fun-loving at first, they conquered and killed and enslaved all they came across. Your Royal Canadian Legion is committed to making a difference in the lives of Veterans and their families, providing essential services in our communities, and remembering the men and women who sacrificed for our country. What happened is that Obsidian couldn't show the good parts of the Legion. He is basically what people see as someone who had the ability to gain power and control that fast in the wasteland, yet uses the methods he does to attain it. The cruelty you see in places like Nipton, Nelson, and Camp Searchlight are part of a military campaign, not the day-to-day conduct of the Legion in a conquered area. just try going through Fallout 4 faster than was intended -- get to the Jamaica Plain / Quincy Quarry / Hyde Park area around level 12 or so and look in wonder at all the enemies with skulls after their names. They won't tax you, you won't be evicted, and if they tried you would blast them to oblivion like you did the raiders. One thing I always think about, though, is how Yes Man says he is going away to become "more assertive". The raiders in the ncr are merely a nuisance not a real threat. The Nords are ruled over against their will by a foreign empire; 2.) Though he does terrible, unforgivable things, he doesn't see himself as "evil": everything he does is for a good reason in his eyes. Aside from Caesar being interestingly written, there was never a doubt in my mind that the sexist, crucifixion obsessed slavers were the definitive "evil" faction in the game. [–]Cotrop 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child). What do all of the top MMA fighters have in common: a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. They raid tribes because they were not civilized and Lucius knows it. [–]GravelvoiceCatpupils 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (3 children), The desert (for exploration) is the bestest, Just an excuse to have roman empire cosplayers, [–]superlucci 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child), [–]GravelvoiceCatpupils 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), (It's supposed to go along with Way Back Home BTW just in case you didn't know), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOv5Z5uivP0, [–]someone_FINJumpin' Jesus on a Pogo Stick 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]SUBJUGATOR001Ghouls in Rockets 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). It's why I find Age of Decadence so engaging in the "danger" regard. Yeah, I didn't kill Benny at the tops, and he ran to The Fort. Same reason why he won't send his legionaries into House's vault. When a SJW freaks out about it, they will pull the leg of the SJW by pretending to be completely sold on the legion ideology, just to traumatize the SJW. DiscussionWhy do people defend the legion so much? That's part of what makes him a great villain. There is a logic to slaves though. The production of new soldiers. It's why I love it so much. ", [–]pieceofchess 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (1 child). He's not a monster; he's a person who does monstrous things. [–]JyuconceptsProud Brotherhood Scum 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (13 children). I don't think that "legion at war" is actually all that removed from the philosophy of the rest of their territory. The Caesar in FNV is not the emperor governing his Roman empire, it is the mighty warlord carving out his domain. Before you meet him, you expect him to be some stone-faced tyrant who barks orders of genocide from a throne of skulls, but instead he's a stoic, pragmatic, and sharp-witted man who speaks with a charming, almost fatherly tone. Someone's analysis also read that the corruption is actually less than that of industrial revolution America. /r/Wasteland - A subreddit for the Wasteland games. [–]huntimir151 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children). How do you stop legion assassins I have sided with mr house the entire game and now caesars legion assassins just tried to kill me and i only just escaped, is there anythin i can do to stop legion assassins trying to kill me, and if not: how common are these attacks But that's not why I made this thread and why you clicked on it. I have finished this game in every possible way except legion. So one could brush off all the evil things the legion does as mere collateral damage because they rid their land of more raiders. [–]HughesJohnEnclave 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children). This produces seasoned warriors, expert caretakers, and a strong/experienced workforce. They mostly had to skirmish and to run to waste resources and force the Americans to give up. The reason some people defend Legion slavery is because they state industrial revolution during times such as that requires manual labor from slavery, but the Legion or Caesar went ahead and put a road block on said industrial revolution, which would mean they are in a loop with no discernible path to get out of slavery, kind of like real life. But in recently-subjugated lands, you wouldn't know it. Use Lasan's War Eagles to reach the Legion Ship. I bet a lot of this stuff has been said/posited before. Here you will find a Fiend named Violet with a pack of dogs led by Violetta. Intelligence- 1 Legionaries have no reason … halls of Congress or among the American people. The group included Follower Edward Sallow, who met with the New Canaanite missionary Joshua Graham, a specialist in tribal dialects. At least Autumn thought he was doing right by the people of the Capital Wasteland. 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